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Ford 429 vs 460 Full Forum Listing May God's Grace Bless You '78 BRONCO: 508" stroker, TFS heads, Dominator MPFI & DIS, cold air induction, dual 3" exhaust/Magnaflow mufflers, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, A/C, Lentech Strip The 429 cars had a 1. Found a complete 1978 460 out of a F250 with a standard transmission flywheel. 677K posts 39K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Ford big block owners and enthusiasts. The valve cover sticker says its a 460 I was wondering why I see medium duty Ford trucks with gas motors using the 429 (7. I see pistons are still under $400 for forged dome TRW pistons. 5/460) - 429 VS. NHRA didn't like the Boss 429 so it never really got the support it should have. 5 inch truck clutch (3 finger B&B style), and a lakewood bellhousing with small input toploader. the bellhousing bolts directly to the block and clears 8) Rods are okay, crank is okay, but the pistons like Carl said, have to be shaved. Small cam headers and sub 230* @ . 8K views 3 replies 4 participants last post by LTDKING Apr 19, 2014. 8 Ferrea SS valves, Harland Sharp 1. I remember when i thought ford,s were the worst of the worst. which is the Large Truck - 429 vs 460 in F700 - Need to replace a 370 in my 84 F700. 59" stroke 4U cast crankshaft from a standard 429 passenger car engine, but I could be mistaken. Ford 460 applicable rocker arms are available in various ratios and one does not need to adhere to 1. Unfollow Forum Follow Forum Create thread Filters Show: Misfire #2 cylinder 1992 ford 460. 0L) vs Ford using their 460 (7. The number refers to the cubic inches of displacement, which I was wondering if there was any difference between a 429 and 460 besides the cranks. How do these engines compare as far as reliability and fuel economy in stock form. The 460 engine comes from the 385 Series or family of engines and had displacements of 370, 429, & 460 CID. wingnut_rb Discussion starter. Thanks Bill . Full Forum Listing 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks - 400 vs 460 Yes, again, but this one's different! - I know, I know, I already searched. 150 compared to a stock 429 at 3. The valve cover sticker says its a 460 Also the crankshaft used big Ford rod bearings but 351 Cleveland mains if I remember correctly. I would like some one to tell me what are the differences are between a 1968 to 1970 429 Cobra Jet and a 429 Thunder Jet. 02 intake but the wimpy 2v grandmas grocery getting low power had a 2. Since the 429 has a shorter strokemy thought What are the differences between Ford 429 and 460 engines in terms of horsepower and torque? • Discover the power showdown between the Ford 429 and 460 engin The 429 is in the same family as the 460, so, you might as well do the 460. The Edelbrock "Air-Gap" 460, (unlike most "Air-Gap" manifolds for other engines), has slightly LARGER volume runners, (3. 677K posts 39K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Learn more about Ford's great 429/460 engines, ie the 385 Series V8s, using from 1968-1998. For pure HP/dollar you can probably get the most out of this engine at most price points if all you consider is the longblock build - the 385 series stuff is quite a bit more common than the FEs (although the FE crowd seems to be growing today and the aftermarket is The 385-series 429 and 460 are also good street-strip engines, with their canted valves and large bearings. 36 stock bore; this is because while the exterior configuration of the D9TE-BB 370 block is the same as the 429/460 block exterior, the cylinder liners that are cast into the 370 2v 429 vs 4v 429,1970. :ford: e99 F-350 Crew cab 4x4 auto 263k, '01 forged rod motor, bellowed up-pipes, 3. 460 - ok so I asked the question about the 400 vs. :lol: Bob Meyer www. Fordguy86 Discussion starter 33 posts · Joined 2009 Add to quote; Only show this user 460 Ford Forum. If not I would go with the 460. Ford even played with a 494 Can-Am engine. BIG BLOCK FORD TECHNICAL AND PARTS SITE. You've got Boss 302/429s, 428 SCJ, 429 SCJ, and 460s! I say just own one of each and be REALLY good at engine swapping! 1979 Ford Bronco - 351M auto FE & FT Big Block V8 (332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 410, 427, 428) - 390 vs. g. 19/1. 9K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Ford big block owners and enthusiasts. D-460 & E-460 Pro Stock heads; & Blue Thunder "Thor" heads, Performance Components for the 429/460 Engine Family This message has been edited by PaulKane from IP address 66. You'll need frame brackets, mounts and TRUCK only exhaust manifolds for starters. 09 and the 4v had the same as the 429cj/scj valves FROM THE FACTORY. 440 inches (. 060, etc) and therefore could not be bored anywhere close to the 429/460 4. It's confusing given the modern penchant for referring to the number of valves with a V. would like to be in the 425-450 hp range with a build. Now what about the 429 in a 77 4x4. 85) to accept big block Chevy style rods, but there are other combinations out there as well. I want to swap the crank fora 460 for 2 reasons. As for the choice of 429 vs 460 go with the cubic inches. With a 460 you will have the hassle of an engine swap. We won't necessarily be able to tell you whether it is a 429 or a 460 becauwse on any Let me start off by saying on my stock '72 429, DE-smogged, i replaced the well known and to some, apauled 4 barrel Motor-craft 4300 with a 4 barrel single pump 80457 Holley and OMG! What a diference! 460 Ford Forum. OK, to sum it all up, the typical 4 barrel 429 engine found in a junkyard from cars built in 1968 - 71 can be built to deliver close to 600bhp at around 7. I guess the 460 set compared to the chain setup . I had one of those motors and made a 460 by getting some new 460 pistons (dished) and a 10/10 crank for a 460. im looking at pistons and see most of them are for the 10. my 429 had a 10. I have a few F350 and F-SUPERDUTIES at work with the 460 and they average 11 to 12. Come join the discussion about performance Personally, if it was mine, use the 71 heads, block, intake (or some other) and use the 460 crank/rods and make the 429 a 460 with new pistons (. 614 lift. The reason I'm asking is because I recently found a late 72 Tbird in a junkyard, it's an Personally I would take a 460 over a 429 just because of my application. this used to be the only way to get an affordable flat top. That makes the 429 the second largest displacement production engine in the 385 engine series, outside of the 514 and 572 crate engines. the piston needs to be chucked in a lathe or on a mill, shave off the . I just found a 460 crank from a 70 or 71 Lincoln that I can get cheap for making my 429 a 460. 5/460) - 429/460 manifolds - Are all 429/460 engines dimensionally the same to allow intake manifold swapping between early and late model engines? Does anybody have an interchange manual or manifold dimensional data? All of this is assuming no machining has been done to By 1973 each of these phenomenal engine options had been removed from the order sheet, with Ford's largest cars making do with the 460 cubic inch 385-series motor (albeit in detuned form). Ford Forum is a community to discuss all things Ford. 5/460) - 428 vs. 55" (Hardened pushrods with guide plates) 1975 - 1978 used 8. A 460 build should be cheaper for a given power level. balanced. I'm still in the dreaming stages, but eventually I'm going to either build my 400 or go with a 460. 2. It started in 1968. Same journal sizes. 33" size venturi; I saw one at a 1/2 mile asphalt oval track where the guy had machined off the very large booster venturis and epoxied some 3/16" brass tubing in their place. The only ford i changed for him was a 300 cid 6 cylinder that he bought with a rod knock -to a 1975 ford elite 351 windsor engine. . 590/. 245. No 460's in Passenger Cars after 1978. The newer 460 CID engine replaced the 462 MEL engine in 1968. A 460 does ultimately have more power potential. 032+/-. 429 - im looking for an engine for my truck, i definitly want a big block. I owned another Ranchero once with a 429 VS 460. For instance, Edelbrock heads for an FE cost much less than Edelbrock heads for a 460(about $1500 assembled vs. 460 Ford Forum. the main differnece between the car 429 and the med duty truck 429's is in the cranks and accessory mountings. 500 lift cam, roller rockers, msd, c8ve heads, alum rad, dual Im running a stock head cam and intake 1970 429 thunderjet with headers a holley 750 carb and an accel ready to run distributer. I would bolt them to the motor, then bolt up the motor perches you have to the mounts. Come join the discussion about performance Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. These are the casting numbers for blocks used 1971/79 on passenger cars (T-Bird, Lincoln Town Car/Mark III & IV, etc) / 1973 midyear 1979 F100/350's. When it comes to porting the 429/460 factory iron, DO NOT lower the floor of the exhaust port as you have described (and hit water). CR 12:1 The additional cost of 429 pistons vs 460 pistons can be saved and put toward a 460 crank. D3ve heads and dove heads are the easiest found iron heads. The 460 was designed for The 429 and 460 are the same engine, the 460 just has a longer stroke. After a set of headers,traction bars and some dist work I had it going 12. Ford 460 Engine Overview The Ford 460 engine, part of Ford’s big block family, was introduced in 1968 and quickly became a staple in various Ford vehicles, including trucks, vans, and motorhomes. 85 + 6. Then sale the 460 block. 050, 114 separation and . Most lean towards the 460. The reason I ask is I have either a 429 or a 460 but I'm not shure which it is. Full Forum Listing Seems fair to compare an OEM 460 head such as the DOVE-C or D3VE-A2A to the basic 454 head. ), 460 crank, a set of cj I've had my Boss 429 since it was new in 1969. Jump to Latest 2K views 2 replies 2 participants last post by 86caprirs Jan 24, 2006. 5/460) - 429 vs 460 - Ive been thinking about this for a while now, so i thought i would ask you big block guys. 5" down pipe w/ 4" straight pipe, 6637 filter. Now my new motor: stock stroke 460 D0VE block and a bunch of new go go parts. There are plenty of threads but I couldn't find what I was looking for. i looked over them no cracks in the blocks on either one. i swapped the 460 into a 75 and used the same plate in the same place. One guy says its a direct boltup and another told me machining is required. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build specifications The 1970 Ford 429 engine utilized a carbureted fuel system, which means it relied on a carburetor to mix air and fuel for combustion. , D3VE for a '73 designed head. Full Forum Listing Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. most of the guys on this site who 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks - Visible Differences between a 390 and 460? - Please take it easy on me as I'm new to the old truck scene. The performer RPM, is above 1500 rpm range and most likely will need a converter and gears. 5 gears) for the best performance I can get consistent with a daily driver. Just one of each thing. Then rebuilt the C-6 from the truck to mate up to the 460. 36” bore (the same as the Ford 460) and a 3. Similar to a C&S "aerosol" carb or 3 barrel Holley secondary. 460 Ford Forum . Ford 429 Legacy. I'm not sure what year the 428 is because it's currently in a 2wd shortbed and the 460's from a Lets say you have a 429 a 460 and a 514 or something near that size, and are making 500 HP and TQ with each engine, FOR STREET USE, this is not an all out race application. G. BIGBLOCKFOX. 105 on Sep 28, 2005 4:06 AM This message has been edited by PaulKane from IP address 66. Cobra Jet: Colin Comer. In line with the 385 namesake, the 429 has a 4. I think he means that any 429/460 manifold will work as long as it fits in your truck. Also, for quick identification of the crankshaft, you may look for the One way to identify 429 vs 460 is to flip the motor over and unbutton the pan. 70 gears as a 572 stroker with a C6 and 2. In that dreadful journey, Ford managed to totally bomb the originally great Cleveland engine. Set the engine in the bay and see were the zoom FE 184 th wheel, lakewood can, I ended up using the late model sbf starter with the bigger registar and the 3/4" offset. 59” stroke for a total displacement of 429 cubic inches. 2YABC - I am new to this site and I need to get an answer to a tech question about 460 cranks as I am in the process of building a 429CJ and planning to use 460 crank. i am considering storing the 429 and dropping in a 460. 5/460) - 460 vs 462 linc - What visual differences set the 460 and 462 apart? I am going to be looking for a Lincoln donor motor for a project build up here soon and there is a junk yard just up the road with about 20 or so 60's/70's lincolns. theyre fe size (1. Full Forum Listing The 460 crank is quickly identifiable (from a 429 crankshaft) by the embossment on the front of the first counterweight. 130 flycut a new valve relief then get the rotating assy. BT Performance Components for the 429/460 Engine Family 460 Ford Forum. Also, for quick identification of the crankshaft, you may look for the nodule or embossment between The Torker 460 was a ploy from the Chevy boys at Edelbrock to slow the 429 460's down. Jump to Latest 460 Ford Forum. Some clues that it is a passenger car/light truck (non-commercial) 429/460 engine: C8VE, C9VE, D0VE, D1VE, or D9TE-AB cylinder block; Aluminum timing cover; Rearward collecting exhaust manifolds; Typical front or rear sump oil pan; 1. The performer works good off idle to (in my experience 4500 rpm) in a 460 + inch engine. If the Crane rockers are for a 351W they cannot be used on the 429/460. 605+ deck clearance . 677K posts 39K members Since 2006 A forum community Tech Topics. 9 square inches), although they are the same shape. 5/460) - 460 pistons in a 429? - Hi everyone I posted a post a couple of weeks ago about which to buy a 460 or 429 and i've decide to go with the 429(cheaper) and i bought a set of pistons of ebay which i was told would suit a 460 or 429 and i found out since that they The compression was 11 to 1. The 429 had a very short life comparatively but is far more famous due to TJ, CJ, SCJ & Boss versions. I would think the CJs would be better though. im not talking about a highly modified 429/460, these articles were for street engines in the 400 to 500 horse power range. most truck cranks where forged pieces (but not all) and had a larger front snout then the car engines. 3 square inches Vs. 5 MPG - all with 5 speeds. There was a few years in the All dyno pulls were run on my C9VE 460 block, bored . 5/460) - 429 pistons in 460? - can 429 pistons be used in a 460? I have a set of them available and would grab them. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build specifications, and more! Show Less . Later model 460's are externally balanced and you can tell by looking behind the balancer for a "hatchet" looking spacer on the crank. a med. Come join the discussion about performance i had a complete 69 429 and and 74 460 block i used for a build. Thanks in advance. Jump to Latest Follow 801 views 1 reply 2 participants last post by 68xr7cat Sep 30, 2006. 030 over). One 460 motor in the Engine Buildup section still made 550 hp with the CJ manifolds. height forged pistons with a 6. people say that it wont work, top ring too close to top of piston but ive got a tow truck thats been in service 429/460 1968 - 1969 used 8. by ramey. Engine Tech. 65, and 1. JMHO stock 460, early 70's era, had a early 429-460 flywheel purported to be CJ use. 527"/. If memory serves me (sometimes dimly ) the std 429 was 10 to 1. Hi Folks - I have both and planned to install the high flow only because I'd assume it would be better. I have a DIVE 429, std bore, forged steel internals, about a . Thanks for the input guys. or 3Y or 3YA. On a 351M-400, the fuel pump bolts to the block with a vertical 2 bolt pattern, a 429-460 fuel pump is attatched to the aluminum timing cover, with a horizontal 2 bolt pattern. 0/429, 7. The pistons have different compression hieghts. 6879 Topics 83444 Posts Victor 2965 vs. 1. 360") but otherwise the block is basically the same. 351M-400 have a flat thin steel timing cover between the water pump and block, 429-460 has an cast aluminum cover, approx 1 1/2" thick. flaresniper Discussion starter 41 posts The changes in deck heights over the years is negligible and amouunts to perhaps 0. " What is important is a correctly designed rocker arm. Come join the discussion about Finally, if any are still convinced that there's only 10hp difference between the 429-Thunderjet (360hp) and the 429-Cobrajet (370hp), consider the old Ford Muscle Parts buildups. 010 below deck a 70-1/2-71 sits. The distance from the carb flange to the bottom of the plenum and runner is farther with the "Air-Gap"; (although externally the flange is the same Maximus years ago I had experience with a direct comparison between the 2 engines I installed a 1970 460 in a 73 mach1 it was a freshened stock shortblock with early heads ported on the exhaust, a crane cch-304 cam kit scj intake and hooker headers,after a mishap that broke a piston and cracked the block,I obtained a 1969 429 shortblock freshened it and 429/460 Ford early/late crank gear cam timing. 62" 429CJ, SCJ, Police and 460 Police 1970 - 1974 used 8. 005 in the hole, heads with a proper valve job, pocket ported and port matched and a solid Crane cam 429 - NOT an FE - this is a 385 series motor (same family as te 460). 3L IDI Turbo, 4X4, Crew Cab, 5-speed, 3:55, stock, 100K miles; The 428 would beat the 429 in the quarter mile every time and then the 429 would motor bye and have the 428 by a couple of lengths at the half mile. F. 460 - Friend of mine has a block crank and heads for a 429 and a 460 hes asking 130 for either one of them. Help with mounting flywheel. the earlier blocks are My main basis for the idea of the manual overdrive trans is that it will put the same power to the ground with my 429 and 3. 888 the crank and rods are 3. Once NASCRAD went Small Block, 355 max cubic In max, no more need for it. duty 429 I couldn't tell you what they are. Header listings, you would need to look under the big E350 van or either a class C type RV unit. yes the crank ends are bigger on the 370. The same bare block casting number If a 429 & 460 were built identical using his recommendations. 008 for '71-88 blocks. 700 long rod! It appears this will work quite nicely, any thought or experience with this combo. With an aluminum CJ head or something it would make a nice light 4 cylinder engine with more horsepower potential than the block could handle. Looking for a little more power and dependability. 48 at 115. What kind of power are you fe guys getting out of your Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. The 429 was built for performance cars and can be used for light duty trucks. I would dare to be different. The 460 was put into Ford trucks up to Don’t know about newer gaskets, but I have replaced many, many blown intake pans on 370-429 trucks in 80s and early 90s. 460 - I have access to both a 428 and a 460 which are in marginal condition. Same rods. The 460 was being produced at the same time as the 429. im looking to rebuild a 460 +. I bolted a 11. The engine is low mileage and burns no oil. 429's were built earlier so there is a better chance of having earlier heads(pre-72) that flow better, But a In my opinion, you could build either engine and obtain the same horsepower figure with an appropriate cam selection, as long as you are willing to spin the 429 higher. (even the DOVE,SC,SCJ) I heard it produces more torque making it a good street manifold. 105 on Their appearance is similar to CJs, except with a smaller port. 390 starter didnt work because the "hump" hit one of my header tubes. The F700 is used to haul liquid feed, about 429's and 460's are both part of the Ford 385 Series engine family. 1K members Since 2006 A forum That 429 / 460 is darn near a "bolt-in" in exchange for that 351m. Jump to Latest 4. 429 = 4U, 4UA or 4UAB 460 = 2Y, 2YA, 2YAB or 2YABC. Save Share 460 Ford Forum. 6K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Ford big block owners and enthusiasts. Full Forum Listing The 460 is in the 385 engine family, and shares that family with the 429. 460 spool speed Your HP requirements are close to stock early 460 hp. 73 roller rockers, and a Lunati flat-tappet camshaft (relatively mild, 06166 grind, 218/218 dur. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning crank and pistons were the only major difference in the 429/460the '385' engine series denoted the 460s 3. If you are dteremined to hop up the old Lincoln, then about your only option would be to find the bigger 462 CID engine from a Lincoln in the mid 60's, and swap it in. That is the easiest way to make sure you get a "straight up" timing chain set. The only difference you may or may not find is that the D0VE head might be drilled for smog pump passages or it might not (C9VE's are never drilled for smog pump passages). The family derives its 385 name from the 3. All production 429 and 460 engines are two valve. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build specifications, and more! The 460 crank can take 7500-8000 rpm's with light pistons, good rods (especially alluminum), and a good ballance job. Check out our discussions on the Ford Escape, Mustang, Edge, F-150, Raptor, Explorer, Focus, Fusion, Fiesta and more! I’m upgrading my 429 CJ in my Ranchero (4000 lbs, 2400-stall C6, 3. You can post a pic and we'll be able to tell you ir it's a 385 or not. 8. 008 in the hole. 360 bore. What are the specifications of Ford 429 and 460 engines? • Discover the heart of American muscle with the Ford 429 and 460 engines! Join us as we delve into Also even the 2v version had the same valves as the standard 429/460 and the 4v had huge valves for a small block, the chev guys brag about running a 2. 0. 429/460 Flywheel - Hey i got a question for yall. They typically are not that expensive and the additional displacement will offer more torque and get static c/r in the high nines to 10 to 1 with small chamber heads and a 22 cc dish. Like I said, the stock 460 heads at best are so-so, so you need other heads but for true high performance so will the 390, probably CJs at least. The 429 was built due to NASCAR/Can-Am restrictions. I have four styles of manifolds; CJ, PI, truck, D5 passenger, when I get time, I'll measure all four port openings and post them. As a replacement for the Ford FE and The D9TE-BB 370 blocks are only 4. Come (From and earlier post): One of the crankshaft countrerweights has alphanumeric markings stamped on it's edge, and these markings identify whether it's a 429 or 460 crankshaft. The 385 was a Lincoln division design, as evidenced by the "V" designation in the parts, e. 310 or the 10. @ . the late model truck starter didnt work because it didnt not engage . id recommend getting a 460 over New Ford SVO C-460 heads, & RFE Profiler "C" heads. the front timing covers where usually cast iron and had built in motor mounts in some applications. Save Share Reply Quote Like. Just thought id ask Performance Components for the 429/460 Engine Family 460 Ford Forum. 5/460) - Convince me - 429/460 vs. they were off their yard car. _____ In a fit of 16 year old genius, I looked down through the carb while cranking it to see if fuel was flowing, and it was. IMHO, like any other Ford, save the BOSS and Clevelands, the FE's, with decent heads, can make some impressive power, even the 390's. 677K posts 39K members Since 2006 A Just about any of the 460 blocks are good the one most likely found will be a casting number D1ve it will be on the starter side of the block. I recently purchased a 1969 429. 429-460 Tech. how much horse power difference would their be using a 460. 5/460) - 429 Vs. 75 gears. If this is true, 97 f250 4x4 ccsb,ford cummins,nv5600,271 t case,dana 60, dana 80 , looking for obs cc grey door panels As far as differences between a pickup 460 vs. 752 vs. 5L)? It seems like it would be more economical for Ford to have used their 460? Thanks in advance! 93 F350 7. Which for me is In short, D0OE-R CJ heads (most all CJ-style cylinder heads) are a lot of cylinder head for a little ol' 460 (even more so the 429) unless you are spinning the engine to the moon. used again to pull a boat and just around town duties. Apparently the '72 and later timing sets had a crank gear that was 8 degrees retarded. In 1971 I used a 427 block (. I have a set of Aussie heads sitting there waiting to be rebuilt. Post by machine shop tom » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:12 pm. Cam was unique as was the crank and balancer. Jump to Latest a person can have an engine that can out run a 429/460. Same pin diameter. (Twenty thousandths of an inch. the 2 bolt mains are pretty stout with arp studs. Working on a warmed-over 429 for a young turk's truck. a 429 of 1. the heads/intake/oil pump/oil pan/distributor all interchange and should be swapped from the 370 to the 460. 429 vs. W. 460 what do I have? - Is there any way to tell the difference between a 429 and a 460 without removing a head and measuring the stroke. So Mopar got a head start on Ford. 060 over) with the 428 crank , stock rods preped, Venolia pistons . 429 and 460 are basically the same thing as far as the 'early' 68-78 engines go. One of the crankshaft countrerweights has alphanumeric markings stamped on it's edge, and these markings identify whether it's a 429 or 460 crankshaft. they claim you are better off building a 400 because they are a lighter engine and make as much hp and torque. Nothing by todays standerds but respectible back in the day. This is NOT the block used with P/C, CJ or S/CJ engines. For God's sake Both the 429 and the 460 were internally balanced until '79. The 429 CJ/SCJ had flattop pistons w/reliefs. so my question is can i have the machine shop deck the block to the 10. In 1968, the 429 superseded the 427 as Ford’s premier big-block, replacing the heavier FE-series. One of the crankshaft counterweights (3rd down from the crank snout) has alphanumeric markings stamped on it's edge, and these markings identify whether it's a 429 or 460 crankshaft. 050") vs the larger 429/460 bore (4. The difference between a 429 and a 460 is the crank and the pistons (this does NOT include the Boss, PI, CJ/SCJ motors) otherwise they use the same rods, blocks, timing covers and intakes with the exception of all 460s where 4v carbs the 429 could be either 2v or 4v (this is factory ONLY, what someone did later is totally different) a-429 vs a-460 heads. Ive been told by a few guys lately that you can use a standard tranny flywheel from a 390 on a 429 or 460. this is my first ford build. 70 ratios. 05 bore cannot be overbored any more than a 429/460 block (eg. lbs. 73 in order for a rocker arm/valve train to be geometrically "correct. Actually the 335 series engines were designed to replace the aging FE engines, the first to arrive were actually designed to be light weight high performance engines. NEW trans 4 spd toploader BIG input/Output. the front covers will not interchange between the 429 Cobra Jet vs 429 Thunder Jet. FE's are not as expensive to build as most people think, though. It's development as a fuel motor had been headed up by the Ramcharger team and then hundreds of other pro racers since around 1964-5. 429 or either the 460, both are the same size on the outsides so anywhere you could put the 429 the 460 would fit as well. what do you all think? i've kind of always wanted a 429 but i dont know 429/460 Ford vs 396/427 chevy block comparison. 527" lift). The 429 would be better if you like to scream it to redline often. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build just went and looked at some pics of the torker two was there a orig torker with small ports like windsor size for the 460 , I was at a swap meet about three weeks ago and there was what looked like a 460 torker but the ports were almost square and very small thats why I hadn't considered the torker , solid roller , the gas station down the street sells 106 or 110 can't D1VE-6015-AB / AB1 / AB2 = 1971 thru midyear 1979 429/460 bare block casting numbers. I can search longer for a 429 that would be a direct replacement but wondering if 460 would perform as well as the 429. 375 diamter crankshaft snout; Some clues that it is a commercial 370/429 engine: BOSS 302 351 429 800CI+ We've been building the ford engines eliminating the slinger for 15 to 20 years with no issues. 300" deck and the 460 had a 10. 675. Chris 429 460 difference. 86caprirs Discussion starter 42 posts the 429 piston with a 460 crank comes out the top of the block 130. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build specifications 429 vs 460. a 460 piston pin height is 1. 030" over, with C8VE heads (same as D0OE) with 2. 3 height or would that be taking off too much. 677K posts 38K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Ford big block owners and enthusiasts. 460 If I understand correctly, the 429 was first on the scene. ive been talking to people and there telling me two diffrent things. The mopar 318 is a very good engine too. 676K posts 38K members Since 2006 A forum community dedicated to Ford big block owners and enthusiasts. 8K posts 37. 85 stroke, vs the 3. Put the rebuilt 460/C-6 in the 68. com '69 Mach1 390 4-spd, '64 Falcon Futura. 67" (After April 1969) 1973 - 1980 used 8. Just bought a new (old) truck, a '76 F-250 Camper Special. the 429/460 rods are the same BUT i used truck rods which are the same as cj rods and put arp wavelock bolts in. Either C-6, (71 or 76) are good ones. The 429 was used in Mercurys & Fords. 00 at the local bone yard in 1985 because the guy didn't like messing with "that old crap". I’m leaning towards the Crain Cams hydraulic roller: HR-228/345-2S-14 with 228/238 at . The only difference between the 429 and 460 is the stroke and piston. MOPAR politics. The 429/460ci big-block had nothing in common with the FE The Ford 385 engine family (also called "Lima" [2]) is a series of "big block" overhead valve (OHV) V8 engines designed and manufactured by Ford Motor Company. i run a stealth on my 429 ,to me really good for hot street rod good Like Joe mentioned a 460 is very heavy compared to an FE. Save Share But the 460 is lighter and with a stroker kit will out cubic inch anything you can do with the stock 390 block and a stroker kit. 674. 00:00 - What's the difference between a Ford 429 and 460?00:43 - How much horsepower does a 460 Ford engine have?01:22 - What is the biggest gas engine Ford Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. I've heard that the C8SE-9425B iron intake manifold is the best flowing of all the other stock iron intakes for the 429-460 at lower RPM. 9K Sep 9, 2023. 85") vs regular 385 series (1. 080" over, Ya better have it sonic checked) and they offset grind a 460's crankshaft on the con rod journals in order to increase the stroke (4. I am assuming that using an earlier (68-71) timing set will be beneficial by running the cam timing Indidentally, the A-code 1970 - 460 engine has the highest torque figure ever listed for a factory original engine by FORD - 500 ft. It was advertised as a 460, but the VIN suggests a 390. Ive done a few modifications over the years and brought the HP up to 550. Lets keep it simple: Ask for a timing chain set for a 68-71 429. The 429 died off in the 70's, but the 460 was made until the end of the 1996 model year (and some being installed in F250/350 in 1997). 85-inch (98 mm) stroke If you like big block chevies, as I do, the motor you need is a stroked 429/460 based motor for your ford. At the time there were Musclecars wverywhere and the Boss held it's own pretty well. January 13th 2025, 11:11 am Ford would ultimately kill high-performance big-blocks by 1974, leaving the brand’s trucks and full-size sedans—which used the longer-stroke 460 until 1997—as the last bastions of the big-inch legacy. The SCJ iron heads can support you up to 7500 (at least) rpms and make good power (A range of 700-750 on a 540ci), but no where near what the A heads can offer you, such as a EX-514 or Blue Thunder head or the New Kasse designed Ford IMO the Boss 429 Hemi was just too late to the party, and a very strong foothold had already been gained the Chrysler 426 Hemi. But i was young and inexperienced, but i knew back then that In Ford parlance the "V" stands for venturi, as in number in the carburetor - 2V is two-barrel, 4V is four-barrel. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning Logan, the 429 truck crank being discussed here did not come in F250 trucks, etc. You can manage much better overall usable power (in most situations) with less cylinder head . Be interesting to see what the OEM 454 head flows compared to the OEM unported 460 head. Brad . I was thinking theoretically a 429 would rev better due to being a slightly lighter rotating mass, and it could possibly achieve slightly better gas mileage 400 ford vs 429/460 ford. The FE had a 18 yr run. over the last few years i have collected (and stored somewhere, i think in the barn) a 460 police block, 460 pi intake, 71 or 72 pi heads (($80. The 460 was produced through 1996 making it a 29 yr run. what do One way is to flip the motor over and unbutton the pan. Well in that case, the only difference between a 429 and a 460 is the crankshaft and pistons, and your already getting new pistons. good mesh both radial and longitude. But I know they are different c/r any other differences A few months ago I noticed some Boss 429 parts on ebay. 300 rpms using the following criteria: 1. my 79 had a 460 swapped in when i bought it and it had a 3/8 plate between the trans and bellhousing. unless it's the 70/71 429 out of a Torino Cobra. The F250's use the typical 460 cast crank. The biggest short coming of the 429/460 is in the exaust port on the heads but properly ported they can support alot of power. The Ford 429 saw a surge in popularity among drag racers in the early '80s due to NHRA rule changes, and while the Boss remains far too valuable to carve The 429-460 motor perches that ford used in 68 up were all thesame T-bird, Lincoln, LTD etc This is what I would do: Get a set of 68,69, 70 T-bird 429 motor mounts, they should also be the same as a 70 Lincoln. 429 was made from 68 to 73, after that everything was a 460 only (except in large commercial trucks with had a "funky" 429 and 370 engines). However, when compared to the 429/460 engines, they cant cut the mustard!! The 429 will be cheaper, and more powerful. Holley Terminator EFI, MSD Ignition, MSD FORD TFI Distrbutor, 4R70W Trans with Baumann Re-cal kit, US Shift electronic Trans controller with B&M Megashifter, 2500 the 351M/400 was designed specifically to be a small block to replace the 429/460 in heavy applications and utilize the heavy trannies and drivetrain used by them. 30, bigger cam, better intake nothing outrageous. 322. The 429 forged truck crank is specifically a commercial, industrial truck crank for a huge F600 dump truck, F700, F800, etc. Full Forum Listing 1 460 Ford Site, Big Block Ford Technical, Home of the fastest Big block fords. Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. I had a 93 camper van that had a 460 as well. 020 and 72 on up . 5/460) - 2Y vs. They overbore your engine block to 4. Other than the 4-bolt main used on Ford 429 CJ/SCJs, which were also used in a limited number of Cougars,there was no difference between a 429 or 460 passenger car/truck block. Bill Mooneyham. Not sure if the engine has been swapped out in the The 429 you have is an internally balanced engine. BIG BLOCK FORD. 060" oversize and undersize. Ford configured theirs as a 429, while Lincoln/Merc generally had the longer stroke 460. 59 or a 460 at 3. Home ; Portal ; Gallery ; Discuss all 429-460 Big Block Ford Technical, 385 series theory , custom builds Moderators: bruno, Moderators. The difference in cubic inches comes from the crank The Ford 429 and 460 engines, introduced in 1976, were massive, heavy and for their size surprisingly low on horsepower. 3 deck height but my 460 is 1973 so i should be 10. 429 Vs 460 what will rev faster? So many good engines from Ford it's hard to choose what ones the best for street applications. the stock 460 didnt work for me because not enough tooth engagement longitude. Stock converter will most likely work. both 2 bolt mains as were most all execpt the 429 boss cj scj. 1/370, 7. about Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. ramey; Sep 9, 2023; 3 1. 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks - 460 VS. Also, it's NOT 1/2 of a 460 engine. 460 and it seems everybody favors the 460. 030, 0. Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case - 390 Vs. Class C rv is a van chassis with the camper part built on. or 3Y or 3YA Also, for quick Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. It has the good parts available, they go out to 520 inches easily, and it will cost less to do than the 427. 020". Regardless of casting number, they were all used by Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Will those domes fit a 69 429 head or do the domes have to be machined off? I still can't find anything but dished pistons for a 428. At which point came the D9(or later) blocks and external balance along with the hatchet spacer on the front of the crank behind the dampner. I'm not sure about how well a 429/460 fits in '67-70's though. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build Big Block V8 - 385 Series (6. The aftermarket rods use a 2. ) Any producton passenger car carbureted 429/460 intake manifold will bolt to any producton passenger car carbureted 429/460 cylinder head (exception: Although the passenger car intake bolts to the CJ head, the CJ head needs a CJ intake). Full Forum Listing I'm contemplating building a 429 using 460 comp. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, horsepower, tuning, build specifications IMO, the 460 has a better TQ/HP curve over the RPMs. Performance Components for the 429/460 Engine Family 460 Ford Forum. 4K Performance Components for the 429/460 Engine Family 460 Ford Forum. 4K posts 37. 429 vs 460 crank. 0. 200 big end diameter. I've seen some bone stock 460's that were pretty lazy, same goes for the 454 Chevy also. The older I get, the smarter Dad was. 050 cam and your there. 322" deck. 429 vs 460 vs 514. with a major detour through the 400ci- block-destroked-to-351 EPA Valley of Death. The 460 was used in Lincolns. 429/460 - I have a 400 in my 78 F-150 nowcame with truck. 500. still have lakewood bell. The stock 429 / 460 rod big end diameter is 2. 67" Note: All of these pushrods were allegedlyy available in . Give me your best shot. 375") also the 370 has a small bore (4. it spaces the bellhousing out to where the input shaft sits just behind flush with the face of the bellhousing as opposed to sticking out. 050" and . George C; Sep 7, 2023; 8 1. I have never heard of the 429 CJ/429 SCJ crankshafts being any different than any other 3. so i cant decide. The 427 is real expensive, but puts out the most HP. The 460 was an improvement on the 429 and the obvious means to increase cubic inches was to stroke it and make a wider selection of engines for different cars and trucks. 70" (Prior to April 1969) 1969 - 1972 used 8. One rocker stand, one rocker, one valve cover gasket and ect. 300 difference in bearing size to off-set grind the crank. If you get one for a '72 and later 460, the cam timing will be retarded. 4K posts 38. At least more often than not - the occasional ford 460 slipped through, but in the late 60's and pre-gas-crunch early 70's, Ford pushed their 429 engines extremely hard. The std 429 heads that year were small chambers, but small ports also. 5/460) - 429 vs. 351/400 - Hello - I now own my second Ranchero, a 1973 with a 1972 351CJ (and front clip). 59 429pin heights were shifted up on the 460, both ran the same 4. a stock 68-70 460 pistons sit in the hole . But The 429 was only installed in 1968/73 Passenger Cars (except Lincoln's) & Ranchero's. 480 posts · Joined 2012 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Apr 14, 2014. which is better for the gas milelage and power? ive heard to go with the 429 the most though, im not going to pull Ultimately, the 429/460 engine went on to power trucks, vans, and other types of Ford vehicles before production ended in the late '90s. I'd like to get anyones experience with it . That gives you . vbk lwpkz nfxaq pbil ojc jvdist wzms ghn amlzpms haoxo